#47 What We’re Unlearning

In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask what they’re each unlearning. Catherine starts by questioning the premise itself, wondering whether saying “I’m ready to unlearn this” is ever really true, since for her unlearning usually only becomes visible after it’s already happened rather than before. She gives two concrete examples from starting her podcast: she’d developed a slow, deliberate, slightly deeper speaking style from years of running groups and coaching, which worked in that context but put podcast listeners to sleep before the episode ended, forcing her to notice and undo it. She also had to unlearn the conversational habit of building on what someone else was saying, since solo episodes meant there was no one to respond to, and she had to find a different way of carrying a show by herself. Her conclusion is that no one really knows what they need to unlearn until they’re already in the middle of unlearning it. Roy frames his unlearning around belief systems shaped by real-world events: during Ireland’s Celtic Tiger years he believed the government was the best thing going, building roads and hospitals, only to later conclude the opposite. He describes a similar process around 2020, when he had to unlearn the belief that what was being pushed on everyone was actually good for them, piecing it together by bringing on different guests, researchers and scientists and reading extensively, even while facing pushback from people who initially disagreed with him before more of them came around. Catherine adds that she didn’t personally have to unlearn that particular belief, having been raised in a natural health environment with no vaccinations or conventional medicine, so the idea that the body is designed to heal itself was never new to her. But she watched many people around her go through that exact revelation, often as a genuine shock, since they’d been raised to believe the body left alone would simply fall apart, and she makes a point of naming how painful that specific unlearning process actually was for people, rather than pretending it’s easy.

Timestamps
0:02 — Introduction and today’s question: what we’re unlearning
0:25 — Catherine: unlearning her podcast speaking style and the habit of building on a conversation partner
2:41 — Roy: unlearning belief in government and what was pushed on everyone in 2020
3:55 — Catherine: watching others unlearn that the body heals itself, and the pain of that process

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