Different Points Podcast
A podcast in short bursts. Each episode poses one question, and two people answer it from where they actually stand.
Roy Coughlan (The Podfather) and Catherine Llewellyn (Beingspace.world) sit on different sides of most things — life experience, worldview, the way they arrive at an answer. Different Points isn't about reaching agreement. It's about hearing two honest responses to the same question, side by side, in under 10 minutes.
No script, no debate to win. Just one question, two points of view, and whatever truth sits between them.
New episodes drop Monday through Friday. Pick a question, press play, and see where you land.
A podcast in short bursts. Each episode poses one question, and two people answer it from where they actually stand.
Roy Coughlan (The Podfather) and Catherine Llewellyn (Beingspace.world) sit on different sides of most things — life experience, worldview, the way they arrive at an answer. Different Points isn't about reaching agreement. It's about hearing two honest responses to the same question, side by side, in under 10 minutes.
No script, no debate to win. Just one question, two points of view, and whatever truth sits between them.
New episodes drop Monday through Friday. Pick a question, press play, and see where you land.
Episodes

Oct 21, 2026
#42 What Wisdom Comes With Age
Oct 21, 2026
Oct 21, 2026
6 min
In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask what wisdom actually comes with age, a question Catherine admits made her burst out laughing before they even started. Roy’s answer comes straight from his own financial history: since the losses he’s talked about before, he hasn’t touched a credit card or borrowed money, because living on assumptions (that a sale will close, that money owed will arrive) doesn’t match reality. He finds that paying with physical cash, where you watch the money actually leave your wallet, keeps you honest in a way a card, even a debit card, doesn’t. He also flags a smaller but related lesson, paying close attention to recurring charges, since companies (he mentions Podbean specifically) have tried billing him incorrectly more than once, and catching it only happens if you’re actually checking. Catherine builds on the credit card point with something she learned during lockdown, watching videos on money and the economy, that everyone born in the UK is effectively born into debt because the economy itself runs on debt, on top of whatever personal mortgages or loans people carry. She thinks this explains the UK’s distorted relationship with money, including the belief that the government “owes” people money when in reality all government money originally came from taxpayers. Since going debt-free herself, she says it’s changed her psychology and her ability to just enjoy life, and made her more aware of how much energy that invisible, background debt drains from people who’ve simply never questioned it. She then gets to what actually made her laugh at the topic: her real wisdom gained with age is realizing that almost everything we think of as wisdom is nonsense, that we understand only a tiny fraction of how life, love, psychology or the universe actually work, and that accepting this is freeing rather than discouraging, since it makes life more surprising instead of something to keep chasing answers for. She tells a story about once asking a spiritual teacher for guidance on her life, only for him to tell her that hanging her duvet over the banister for a while would really help it fluff up, a deliberately unhelpful-sounding answer she later realized was exactly right, because what she was really asking for wasn’t something anyone else could give her. Roy closes with his own version of the same idea: the more he knows, the more he realizes he doesn’t know.
Timestamps0:02 — Introduction and today’s topic: what wisdom comes with age0:30 — Roy: the financial lesson behind never using a credit card2:09 — Catherine: being born into debt, and the wisdom that most wisdom is nonsense6:09 — Closing thoughts and sign-off
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
#DifferentPoints #WisdomWithAge #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan
Oct 21, 2026
6 min

Oct 20, 2026
#41 Finding Calm in Chaos
Oct 20, 2026
Oct 20, 2026
6 min
In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask how you actually find calm inside chaos. Catherine draws on her long practice with Five Rhythms Dance, a freestyle movement meditation whose third rhythm is literally called Chaos. In that rhythm you let go completely, letting your body move however your emotions and energy dictate, however bizarre or erratic that looks, and what she’s found, over and over, is that fully surrendering into it eventually reveals a calm, settled center right in the middle of her, as if anxiety, confusion and overwhelm simply burn off. That calm is what tips the practice into the next rhythm, called lyrical. She argues the same surrender works with chaos in daily life, not just movement, comparing it to an artist’s studio mid-creation, paint and materials everywhere, chaos on the surface, but something solid and real forming at the center of it. She also shares a simple reset technique for when she needs a break from chaos rather than surrendering into it: lying flat on her back upstairs, arms out, palms up, legs slightly apart, eyes closed, breathing deeply for five minutes while letting thoughts buzz without engaging them, after which she feels like a different person, sometimes joined by one of her cats settling in next to her. Roy connects this to watching his late father spiral into panic over something as simple as making toast and tea, in contrast to hosting an entire extended-family Christmas dinner himself without stress, staying fully in his zone while his mother asked how he was so calm. He extends the idea to business and dating, where getting overwhelmed by too much happening at once is common, and his fix is the same: step away, go for a walk to clear your head without turning it into another task, or take a weekend or full week away even when it feels impossible, because that distance from the chaos is often exactly what produces the creative solution. Catherine closes by noting that most people either avoid chaos entirely or become addicted to it, and neither extreme serves anyone well.
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
#DifferentPoints #FindingCalmInChaos #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan
Oct 20, 2026
6 min

Oct 20, 2026
#40 Hope as a Discipline
Oct 20, 2026
Oct 20, 2026
5 min
In this episode, Roy and Catherine mark the show’s 40th episode milestone by asking how you actually nurture hope. Roy’s take is blunt: hope on its own isn’t a strategy. He breaks everything down into tasks and systems instead, using his own podcasting journey as the example, the first episode took forever to edit, cutting pauses and filler, re-listening, re-uploading, and improving each time, and now he’s running ten shows including this one. For him, discipline and systems are what actually produce results, not hoping health, money or success will just work out. Catherine agrees Roy’s disciplined, but pushes back gently, pointing out that he also carries a genuinely hopeful attitude, an underlying expectation that things can work, rather than the fatalistic mindset some people carry into everything they do. She argues hope as a discipline is really about practicing an attitude of possibility alongside the actual work, not instead of it. She shares advice she once received about marketing: if you’re sitting down to create promotional content while convinced it won’t work or feeling terrified, stop, go for a walk, take a bath, play with the cats, watch bad TV, anything else, and only come back to it once you’re in a mindset of offering something valuable rather than manipulating or stealing someone’s time. For her, hope as a discipline means practicing the ability to notice wonder and possibility instead of defaulting to doom and gloom, and when those doom-and-gloom moments hit, being able to notice them, laugh, and come back to center. Roy closes simply by saying how much he’s enjoyed all 40 episodes with Catherine, and Catherine reflects that starting this show at all, despite already running nine others, was itself a hopeful decision rather than an excuse not to.
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
#DifferentPoints #HopeAsADiscipline #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan
Oct 20, 2026
5 min

Oct 20, 2026
#39 Small Acts of Courage
Oct 20, 2026
Oct 20, 2026
7 min
In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask: where can you be brave today? Catherine admits the question first strikes her as odd since there’s no obvious threat in her day, just work at home, but she identifies several real forms of small courage. One is being truthful and genuinely feeling what she shares in promotional video clips rather than performing something she thinks people will like, and she says she can tell the difference between creators who are doing that and ones who are just presenting, versus the opposite extreme of people manufacturing drama to look brave rather than being brave. Other forms of courage she names: ending a relationship that needs ending, telling someone an uncomfortable truth, dropping a habit, or doing a screen fast, something she compares to coming off sugar years ago, since both remove an artificial comfort and force you to face how drained you actually are underneath it. She ties this back to trust, noting that the most courageous people she knows are also the most present, transparent and agenda-free, which is exactly what makes them trustworthy. Roy connects this to his father, a chief projectionist at an Irish cinema who refused to back down as the workers’ union spokesman even while everyone else folded under pressure from management, only for Roy to later learn the union reps were quietly having dinner with the cinema owners they were supposedly fighting. Roy also mentions self-publishing a book years ago that ten people warned him he’d get “whacked” for, with one reader instead calling him the “warrior of love,” a title he now keeps on his Facebook page. He then shares several Covid-era stories of refusing to comply: being confronted by police over a mask in a supermarket and walking away after asking “are you talking to me?”, teaching his son not to fall for what he calls pandemic theatre, questioning the contradiction of people tapping shared touchscreens to order food then eating with their hands while supposedly terrified of contamination, and shouting at judges and detectives in court when he felt they were acting corruptly or trying to trap him with paperwork, watching them back down once confronted. For Roy, none of that was really about being brave, it was about standing in his own sovereignty and not being intimidated by a uniform, a title, or a piece of paper.
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
#DifferentPoints #SmallActsOfCourage #Sovereignty #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan
Oct 20, 2026
7 min

Oct 20, 2026
#38 Fear as a Teacher
Oct 20, 2026
Oct 20, 2026
8 min
In this episode, Roy and Catherine dig into fear as a teacher. Roy approaches it two ways: first, following on from the last episode, the fear around what was being pushed on people during Covid, where the lesson was recognising it was orchestrated and understanding the dangers of what people were being told to take. Second, the fear instilled by abusive schoolteachers, something he’s seen damage people for years, especially through his speaking podcast, where guests trace a lifelong fear of public speaking back to being humiliated by an authority figure as a child, though facing that fear later can also become its own lesson in what you’re actually capable of. Catherine shares a story about a friend at an expensive private school whose dance teacher called her clumsy in front of the class and sentenced her to play piano while everyone else danced, leaving her unable to dance sober for the rest of her life, despite being a genuinely good dancer. She connects this to the broader British culture of mockery disguised as humour, where cruelty gets excused as “just joking” and the person hurt gets labelled thin-skinned, creating a fear of being vulnerable that damages relationships and courage long-term. She contrasts that with a singer-songwriter guest raised in a creative household with no fear-based pressure to play it safe, who chose to write songs about joy rather than pain purely because that’s what he believed in, and who she sees as living proof of what happens without fear driving the decisions. Catherine also reveals she had no fear of Covid itself, having grown up in a natural-health, unvaccinated household, except for one specific 24-hour window of absolute terror that she came to understand wasn’t her own fear, but the collective fear of everyone else, a lesson in empathy she needed to go through. Roy then shares his own schoolteacher story: a history teacher who made the class memorise endless pages, screamed at students, and told 13-year-old Roy in front of 30 classmates that his dead grandmother could do better after he scored 17%, only for Roy to get a different teacher three years later and score 100% and a top state exam grade. He later found out at a reunion that this same teacher told another student he’d amount to nothing, a student who went on to struggle badly with drugs, and takes from it that parents need to pay close attention to what teachers are actually saying to their kids and act fast if something’s wrong. Catherine closes on the point that past damage from being terrorised by someone, whether a teacher or anyone else, doesn’t have to be carried forward forever, confronting it and refusing to let it happen again now is part of how that old wound actually heals.
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
#DifferentPoints #FearAsATeacher #PersonalGrowth #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan
Oct 20, 2026
8 min

Oct 20, 2026
#37 Resilience in Uncertain Times
Oct 20, 2026
Oct 20, 2026
5 min
In this episode, Roy and Catherine take on resilience in uncertain times and how to recover. Catherine starts by questioning the premise, pointing out that life itself is inherently uncertain since she’s an organic being, not a machine, and that when people talk about “uncertain times” they usually mean something external, like not knowing when a war will end. Her view is that the goal isn’t to recover from uncertainty, it’s to live inside it fully and feel it, because she believes uncertainty exists to help us grow, and chasing certainty misses the point. She ties this to her own experience during the UK’s roughly three-year Covid lockdown period, when she felt constantly drained by the collective energy of it and had to adapt by limiting herself to four or five hours of work a day and sleeping nine or ten hours a night just to stay functional, rather than sliding into resentment, fear and panic. For her, resilience means tuning into both the meaning of the uncertainty and what her body actually needs, rest, more protein, whatever it is, rather than reaching for a single fixed answer. Roy connects this to his own experience losing everything financially and rebuilding from a place of sovereignty, and to the roughly four years of lockdowns, during which he refused to comply, started independently researching PCR test sales data going back to 2017, and dug into what was being injected, while staying on good terms with friends who believed the opposite, since he never saw it as worth ending relationships over differing belief systems. He applies the same approach to business shocks, like losing ad platform access in Europe overnight, the lesson being to adjust fast without self-pity, stay calm instead of panicking, since panic (which he sees media and official messaging as pushing) clouds thinking, and basic tools like breathing and walking are what actually let you recover from whatever curveball comes next.
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
#DifferentPoints #Resilience #UncertainTimes #Entrepreneurship #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan
Oct 20, 2026
5 min

Oct 20, 2026
#36 Legacy Over Achievement
Oct 20, 2026
Oct 20, 2026
5 min
In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask the question: what legacy are you creating? Roy says his legacy isn’t about being remembered, a statue or a vote of thanks, it’s about leaving the world better than he found it for every generation’s children, not just his own, and knowing in himself that he spent his life trying to improve things. Catherine frames it through consciousness: she judges her life and work by whether, on balance, it’s helpful to the world, and believes the quality of her own consciousness shapes both her immediate contribution and her long-term legacy. She shares a story about a former client, once a corporate troubleshooter sent in to whip teams into shape, who’s now retired in a small village and joined the local council out of frustration with how it was run. Using the subtler, more energy-based approach he picked up from their work together years ago, he’s quietly transformed the council’s culture, including getting a dark skies initiative implemented, without anyone realizing what he’s actually doing. For Catherine, that ripple effect, everyone she’s helped going on to help others, is the real legacy, worth more to her than any fee she earned along the way. Roy jokes about franchising that kind of mentoring city by city, and Catherine mentions hearing that roughly 20 percent of humanity is now said to be operating at a more conscious, heart-led level, which tracks with what she’s seeing play out directly.
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
#DifferentPoints #LegacyOverAchievement #Consciousness #Entrepreneurship #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan
Oct 20, 2026
5 min

Oct 20, 2026
#35 Business with Heart
Oct 20, 2026
Oct 20, 2026
4 min
In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask whether a business can be heart-led. Catherine opens with a story from her other show about a guest descended from a family as wealthy as the Rockefellers, whose fortune, unlike some of that era’s dynasties, was built entirely ethically and heart-led, with every deal structured so everyone involved came out ahead, a legacy that carried down generations into the guest’s business today. She makes the case that heart-led and highly successful aren’t a contradiction, it’s about alignment: people who are aligned and heart-led succeed because they’re not fighting themselves internally, while people who are aligned but ruthless can also succeed, but it’s the alignment doing the work either way. Roy connects this to the communities he’s built, the Authority Alliance and Connected Leaders Academy, both intentionally heart-led, and contrasts that with the doom-and-gloom version of the world pushed by news media. He notes that once people know you’re heart-led, opportunities and joint ventures come to you constantly, far more than he has bandwidth for, while people operating from ego and power trips tend to eventually shaft each other because that’s baked into how they operate. Catherine closes with the point that being heart-led isn’t just good ethics, it’s measurably better for your physical health too.
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
#DifferentPoints #BusinessWithHeart #HeartLed #Entrepreneurship #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan
Oct 20, 2026
4 min

Oct 20, 2026
#34 Serving Rather Than Selling
Oct 20, 2026
Oct 20, 2026
8 min
In this episode, Roy and Catherine take on a question every entrepreneur eventually has to answer: are you serving, or are you selling? Roy explains why he’s never run a hard-sell close, even in his virtual assistant business, pointing out that he could probably get ten times the clients using urgency and discount pressure, but refuses, because he’s watched the demeanor of otherwise friendly prospects shift the moment they feel pushed into a decision. His rule: treat every person like they’re your parent, with love and empathy, and let the service speak for itself. Catherine backs this with two stories from her corporate past. The first is about a sales trainer brought in to teach her team manipulation tactics, who asked the room to turn around and shake hands with the person behind them, not realizing the group was a tight-knit community who’d see through the trick instantly and turn on him within minutes. The second is about a colleague who told a man about to launch what became the insurance company Direct Line that his business would fail without her firm’s help, only to watch him walk away and build a major success without her. Both land on the same underlying belief: pressure-selling comes from a scarcity mindset, and with nearly eight billion people on the planet, there’s no need for it. Roy closes with a practical warning sign to watch for in any sales conversation, loaded questions like “where do you see yourself, one to ten” that are really just manipulation dressed up as coaching, and his advice to check reviews and Trustpilot before buying from anyone who leans on that kind of pressure.
Timestamps0:02 — Welcome & today’s question: serving vs selling0:24 — Roy: why he’s never run the hard sell, even knowing it could grow the business faster2:09 — Catherine: the sales trainer who tried to manipulate the room, and the Direct Line story6:50 — Roy: spotting manipulative sales tactics and checking reviews before buying7:47 — Closing thoughts and sign-off
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
#DifferentPoints #ServingNotSelling #SalesWithIntegrity #Entrepreneurship #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan
Oct 20, 2026
8 min

Sep 18, 2026
#33 Enoughness
Sep 18, 2026
Sep 18, 2026
5 min
In this episode, Roy and Catherine sit with a deceptively simple question: what is enough? Catherine calls "enoughness" one of her favorite words, describing how easily she can get swept past the point of enough — a meal that only needed a few more spices, a conversation that didn't need to cover every feeling to the last detail, a party where staying past the moment it stopped being fun leads somewhere strange. She shares a vivid image from her clubbing days: the telltale sign you stayed too long is being there when the lights come on and everyone's makeup has run and the magic has evaporated — proof you should have left twenty minutes earlier. She makes the case that enoughness isn't something you can define once and for all; it shifts moment to moment, day to day, and even applies to relationships reaching their natural completion. Roy shares his own practical version — as an early riser with no alarm clock, he knows when he's hit his limit for the day, whether that's 6pm or 10pm, and has learned to step away without guilt, trusting that tomorrow is another day to pick back up. Both land on the same point: the real skill isn't achieving everything on your list, it's becoming comfortable saying "enough" without beating yourself up over it.
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine's Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
#DifferentPoints #Enoughness #SelfCompassion #Boundaries #PersonalGrowth #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan
Sep 18, 2026
5 min







