Different Points Podcast

Catherine and Roy explore the question “where do you fit in?” Roy says he has never tried to fit in and has always done what he believed was right, from refusing to follow the crowd as a teenager to finishing his work properly on site in Ireland when others stopped early. Catherine describes growing up in a family that encouraged individuality, and her lifelong need to belong. They look at the balance between being yourself and belonging to a family, community or team, and why “fitting in” can mean compromising who you are. They ask listeners where they feel they belong, where they overcompromise, and what topics they would like covered next.
What we Discussed
0:02 Welcome and today’s question: where do you fit in?
0:23 Roy on doing what he believes is right rather than fitting in
1:34 Catherine on growing up encouraged to be an individual, and her need to belong
5:14 Questions for listeners and thank you for the support
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In this episode, Roy asks Catherine who she is trying to prove herself to. Catherine says she wishes she knew. She describes a program of meditations where she traced back through her life and found people and ideals she was still trying to live up to, including her parents, her sister, her headmistress and some of her teachers. She explains that even when she knows consciously that she has nothing to prove, the programming is still there. The best she can do is notice it, give herself some slack, shake it off and move on. Roy says he holds himself accountable more than anyone else. He talks about being a good son to his mother, making sure she knows he is okay and can be proud of him, and about proving himself as a father by acting rather than talking, wanting his kids to be more successful and happier than he is. They finish by asking listeners whether they are proving themselves to others, or just chugging through life.
Timestamps0:03 — Welcome & today’s question: who are you trying to prove yourself to?0:19 — Catherine: the people and ideals she is still living up to, and letting them go2:14 — Roy: being a good son and a good father3:40 — Closing thoughts and sign-off
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
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In this episode, Catherine asks Roy what he doesn’t know, and the two explore why not knowing is a theme worth embracing. Roy says the more he reads and the further down the rabbit holes he goes, the more he realises how much he didn’t know. Catherine says what she truly knows is what she has lived through herself. She explains why, when asked if she believes in energy work, she answers that she doesn’t need to believe in it because she has experienced it directly. She then covers the Dunning-Kruger effect, where people who know very little tend to feel very sure, and confidence drops to accuracy as real expertise grows. She applies it to economics, politics, health and world events, where most of us hold strong opinions on things we know little about. She describes a game from her workshops where people practise saying “I don’t know” and find it surprisingly hard. They leave listeners with questions: what are you pretending to know, what do you really know, and are you willing to own it? They also invite comments, questions and topic requests.
Timestamps0:02 — Welcome & today’s theme: not knowing0:23 — Roy: the more I know, the more I realise I don’t know0:52 — Catherine: lived experience vs belief, the Dunning-Kruger effect, and practising “I don’t know”
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
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In this episode, Roy and Catherine look at when helping helps and when it gets in the way. Catherine describes the moment of saying “please stop helping”, when someone assumes you are incapable and steps in to coach you through something you were doing your own way, sometimes as a deliberate experiment. She says we often jump in because we assume the other person does not know what they are doing, when they are doing it that way because they want to. She compares it to backseat drivers and backseat cooks. She also talks about the other side: learning to ask for help in a culture where you are expected to be self-sufficient. Roy agrees on the cooking, then shares what it means in relationships, where a man’s instinct is to jump in with solutions and the other person often just wants to be heard. He suggests simply saying what you need, whether that is to listen or to solve, because nobody can read your mind. They finish by asking listeners what comes to mind when they hear helping and hindering.
Timestamps0:02 — Welcome & today’s question: helping and hindering0:21 — Catherine: “please stop helping”, backseat cooks and learning to ask for help3:40 — Roy: cooking, wanting to be heard rather than fixed, and saying what you need5:17 — Closing thoughts and sign-off
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
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In this episode, Catherine asks Roy what he really needs, and the two explore the difference between wanting and needing. Roy shares the question he asks people when they are shopping: is it a want or a need, and do you have the money for it? He talks about how putting a dollar value next to the tasks on his list helped him focus on the work that brings in money, rather than just the things he enjoys getting done. Catherine looks at it from her coaching work, where the honest answer to “why do I need a coach?” is that you don’t, but you may want one. She separates practical needs, like worn-out towels, from needs that come from a place of lack, where we feel we are not enough until we have more money, status or approval. She reflects on a life spent following what she wanted to do rather than what she thought she needed to do, and shares how a small section on emotional needs became the theme of a whole workshop. They leave listeners with the question: what do you want, and what do you really need?
Timestamps0:02 — Welcome & today’s question: what do you really need?0:21 — Roy: is it a want or a need, and putting a dollar next to your goals1:40 — Catherine: needing a coach vs wanting one, needs that come from lack, and emotional needs5:15 — Closing thoughts and sign-off
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
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In this episode, Roy and Catherine take on the question of who gets to define you. Catherine says nobody does. She tells the story of a marketing coach who gave her good challenges but tried to tell her who she had to be to win clients, and why that never sat right. She explains how every time she looked to someone else to tell her who she is, it backfired, and the only definition that has worked is the one she finds by going inside herself, sometimes as a feeling or a colour rather than words. Roy shares a similar experience of being told how to come across to attract coaching clients, and why he refuses to do it if it is not him. He talks about parents trying to mould you, how his mother was right about more than he gave her credit for, and how he takes feedback on board without letting it define him. He is happy with who he is, but never complacent, and is always working to be a better version of himself. They agree you can listen to other people’s points of view without having to conform to them, and ask listeners to share their own answer.
Timestamps0:02 — Welcome & today’s question: who gets to define you?0:18 — Catherine: the coach who tried to define her, and defining yourself from the inside2:45 — Roy: being told how to come across, his mother’s influence, and always improving4:28 — Listening to others without conforming4:34 — Closing thoughts and sign-off
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
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In this episode, Catherine and Roy ask what it means to be seen, and why it takes courage. Roy admits he never wanted to be seen. He ran big jobs in Ireland and was strong at negotiating and leading teams, but he was the one at the back of the class and the back of the meeting. He explains what changed when he wanted to get his message out and make the world a better place: nobody follows you if you are hiding at the back. He also talks about not letting attacks come in. Catherine describes growing up wanting to be expressive while being vulnerable to being mocked, and how she became very visible at school as a way to get through it. She says her visibility online, in her coaching business, comes down to the goal. If the goal is to enjoy life, be truthful and put out something helpful, the fear of being seen reduces. If the goal is to impress and win approval, that is where fear and exhaustion come in. They close by asking listeners what being seen means to them, what their goal is, and what matters most to them about it.
Timestamps0:02 — Welcome & today’s question: what does it mean to be seen?0:26 — Roy: the guy at the back, and why he chose to stand out1:31 — Catherine: being mocked as a child, visibility online, and why the goal matters5:00 — Sign-off
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
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In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask a simple question: how do you know when enough is enough? Catherine says most of the time we already know, whether it is time to leave a party, end a relationship, take a break from work or stop recording. She explains how we override that sense with alcohol, tiredness, too much sugar or too much coffee, and why it is worth protecting and rebuilding if you have lost touch with it. Roy shares how he and Catherine settled on recording in batches of seven, with a backlog so the show always goes out, even when someone is away or ill. He talks about cooking only what he and his son will eat so nobody has to leave food on the plate, and about why people drink past the point of enough, which he sees as escapism and a way of covering pain. They close by asking listeners what comes to mind when enough is enough.
Timestamps0:02 — Welcome & today’s question: when is enough is enough?0:17 — Catherine: knowing in ourselves when enough is enough, and what makes us override it3:18 — Roy: batches of seven episodes, portion sizes, and drinking as escapism5:22 — Closing thoughts and sign-off
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
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In this episode, Roy and Catherine take on a slightly odd topic: what are you pretending not to know, and what do you really know? Roy starts with something he has noticed in people’s emotions. Some people, women first and then men too, laugh in a conversation when nothing is funny, to get you to laugh and be liked. He knows it, never says it to them, and has found that people who do it are often not as straight as they come across. Catherine says she has been in those moments too, and she is not good at pretending, so people see a strange look on her face. For her, pretending not to know often means carrying on with something she knows is a waste of energy so she can stay busy and avoid facing that she doesn’t know what to do next. She gives an example from years ago, when she did executive coaching for large corporate organisations. She loved it and her identity was tied up with it, but she knew it was time to stop and pretended she didn’t, because she had no idea what she would do next. Her experience is that life is not impressed when she pretends not to know something and keeps presenting her with the truth, so she no longer tries. Roy adds that living in Poland, he sometimes pretends not to understand Polish, to see what people say when they think he can’t follow. Catherine shares how her father did the same in Italy, where he worked as a civil engineer during the war. A man criticised his skiing at length in front of him, and at the bottom of the slope her father thanked him for the feedback in fluent Italian and said he could have told him himself. She closes by inviting listeners to reflect on what they are pretending not to know and to send in their insights.
Timestamps0:02 - Welcome and today’s topic: what are you pretending not to know0:28 - Roy: fake laughter and reading people’s emotions1:14 - Catherine: wasting energy, her executive coaching years and life insisting on the truth3:59 - Roy: pretending not to understand Polish4:19 - Catherine: her father’s story in Italy and closing thoughts
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
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In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask whether you can change your mind. Catherine can, but not when someone is trying to force her, because it’s her mind. She also admits she can get stuck, and links it to the sunk investment fallacy: the more you have put into something, the harder it is to let go, whether it’s an offering nobody wants despite years and money spent on marketing, or a 12-year relationship that has run its course. Her attachment is tied to what she has invested, but she points out that having invested a lot doesn’t mean letting go is wrong, and that it is wasting good money after bad to keep pouring more in. She warns that some influencers and business growth services will simply encourage people to keep spending on a business that will never work, while others will honestly tell you whether it’s worth the investment. Roy shares how this very show came about. Catherine sent him a voice message suggesting a podcast together, and his first reaction was that he had too much on his plate. Within minutes he changed his mind and suggested doing short episodes in batches, and that became Different Points. He says he has always been willing to change direction in business too, including when a partner doesn’t bring their A game, even after investing a lot of money, because the short-term pain is usually better in the long term. His advice is to use your intuition, your gut and your heart as well as your head, since the head alone can lead to the wrong decisions. Catherine closes with a quote from Timothy Leary: you’re only as young as the last time you changed your mind. Roy asks listeners when they last changed their mind, noting that some people stick to a decision even when presented with facts.
Timestamps0:03 - Welcome and today’s question: the freedom to change your mind0:18 - Catherine: sunk investment, attachment and knowing when to let go3:01 - Roy: how Different Points started and changing direction in business4:41 - Catherine: the Timothy Leary quote4:59 - Closing thoughts and sign-off
Roy Coughlan · The Podfather NetworkWebsite: https://roycoughlan.com/Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academyBrain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/
Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community✦ Website: https://beingspace.world✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld
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